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I agree. We have been digging BIG holes in the ground the past 200 years. We have disused mines and quarries that have had billions of tones of material dug out. We will NEVER run out of holes to fill in. The only concern is flammable material that can start underground fires but that is not difficult to separate out.

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Whoa; be careful here. You can't just go chucking rubbish down any old hole in the ground, the effect on water tables, underground streams and gas pockets is pretty grim.

If you lived where I do you would see the ground filling up, we take most of London's rubbish and believe me it is not a pretty sight.

A huge clay pit turns into a hill and then they have to pipe huge quantities of methane off it. They now tend to use the gas for heating rather than just burning it off but this hole filling business is becoming an exact and expensive science.



And the land is useless for hundreds of years afterwards.

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You could of course just pop them in on the way to work then.

Yeah right, perhaps when I have a job I don't hate and thus have enough motivation to get up on time.

10 bonus points and a prize for brookwood.

There is way more to land fill than you might think. We have a big hole at work, out of which they extract sand and ballast and the refill it with rubbish. Before they start they have to build massive bunds in the base to contain the effluent. There is a series of gravel channels in there too along with chimmney's to collect the methane. The water all around the site is constantly being monitored from pipes that were installed as the hole was being filled.

we have 4 fields now that are reclaimed. One can just about grow a half arse crop of wheat. One we can grow abit of grass for hay, but is too rough to spray the weeds out properly because of subsidence. Another, you can drive a tractor on but is so rough, all you can do is mow the set aside once a year, it's too rough for many crop establishment equiptment to be used, though they are talking about re grading it. And the last one to be reclaimed has had two crop failures. Crop failures are unheard of in this country.

There is a 3,500hp V16 methane powered generater putting something back into the national grid, but would you want to live near this sticking hole with heavey trucks going in and out all day long, never mind the dust, rubbish flying on windy days and 2 bazillion seagulls shitting on every thing? There just isn't the space to keep chucking stuff in the ground willy nilly, do you want a landfill site near you?

Then who is responsible for the pollution in the decades to come???

Recyling is not difficult, all you have to do is put stuff in your blue box. If stuff smells, rinse it out before you put it in. Most supermarkets have recyling bins there, it really is no great hardship.

I read people complaning about the councils making you do it. It's the government that slapped the land fill taxes on. The councils then have to pay it because they are in charge of refuse collection and you pay then via council tax. So the less you throw away, the less it will cost us all.

I wasn't complaining about having to recycle. In fact I could have perfectly legally just thrown away all my bottles and carrier bags without any repercussions.

I was complaining about having to drive all the way to an out of town supermarket to do the thing, and wondering how those without cars manage it.

Aylesbury council have made noises about bringing in glass and plastics recycling but nothing has materialised, they seem more concerned about building all these extra houses without bothering to upgrade the network of single carriageway roads that joins the town to it's neighbours and motorways.

Easy. I use one of these http://www.vlerickfietsen.be/bagagetransport/fotos/bob_ibex_big.jpg

I can get weeks worth of bottles, cans and cardboard, and a bin liner of other rubbish all loaded up. Weight limit 35 kgs. Then it's a matter of a 15 minute round trip to the tip. I usually pick the busiest time, as it takes drivers about an hour or so because of the queue. I ride past them all to gasps of horror. I often get the kids to come with me for the ride; it helps the educate them that there is often a better solution if you bother to think about it.

Doesn't the bag get a bit stinky after a while, and don't you find people still drive into it despite it being bright yellow.

That's not exactly true.

Pilkington Glass, for example, put recycled glass ("cullet") in the "frit" that is loaded to the furnaces. I struggled over the concept that glass is a constituent element of glass but it was explained that the reduction in energy required to melt the glass makes it worth while.

there is some information here




Andy

(7th generation Pilkington Glass family, my dad is one of the "Glassmen").

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I don't use the bag for trips to the tip. I have a plastic recycling box that fits in quite neatly inside the trailer. The bin liner full of rubbish sits on top of that.

As for being driven into, I've towed that thing for about 400 miles in the last year and no one's even come close.

adam.L wrote:

Sorry to do this to you but it reminded me of the joke that goes"

Donald Rumsfeld and his staff were briefing President Bush on events around the World and the last item was from South America where apparently three Brazillian soldiers had been killed in an accident.

The President was horrified and sat there silently with his head in his hands. The staff waited patiently until eventually the President looked up and asked.
"Exactly how many is a brazillion."

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A bit marginal at best I think. Still not worth the effort. I will keep on putting them in with the rest of the stuff I throw out.

I don't have any objections to anyone recycling anyhting I throw out. But as for me, it all goes in the same bag, someone else can go to the trouble of sorting through it. Rubbish is not collected for free, so its their job in my book.

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A classic example of the selfishness that makes our society so shit.

Well said.

Sometimes I just can't sleep at nights... only kidding

If sorting your rubbish out gives you a hard-on good luck, I have got plenty for you to have a go at. Personaly I have got better things to do with my life.

If you think this is what is making society shit you have seriously got you priorities screwed up sunshine!

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I know your sort. You make it all sound so difficult - like I pile it all together and then sort though it afterwards. It's really simple, just put the different types together as you generate it - then the council comes round and collects it. I'm amazed that you can't cope with that.

I don't doubt that you have 'better things to do' - that's a typical argument of the selfish. But this excuse is just the same one that people use for not clearing up dog mess, the one they use to justify throwing litter out of the window, fly tipping, parking irresponsibly, etc. Perhaps one day, in your world, there will be someone to pop round and wipe your arse for you - 'cause you've got better things to do'. But I doubt it, you'll just end up stinking of sh1t..

I really pity you if you can't spare a few seconds a week to do something as easy as segregate a few tins and bottles. And don't even think about calling me a rabid environmentalist - I'm not.

I can. I just don't want to. And no, you don't know my sort.



Yep, Like running a Youth group (4 years) and being a school governor (8 years)....that must make me sooooooooooo selfish

So you know me do you.......I think not, you pompous twat

I concentrate on the important things in life, like P E O P L E, not the kind of "save the planet" bollocks that you are twittering on about. Like I said, If it makes you feel like you have a purpose good luck to you. But I have better things to do. Like I have already said, most recycling is a wast of time and resources so why should I do it. Scrap metal yes, everything else...no.

You keep on jerking-off over your neatly sorted piles of rubbish while I focus my effort on the real issues facing society.

BTW we have 3 "rescued" dogs.....and yes we do pick up the dog crap...

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If the council pick it up, as they do in my area, I find recycling no more difficult then putting stuff in the bin as normal. It's just a different bin. But it's a free country and if someone doesn't wish to do it then thats upto them.

It really isn't a big deal at all to put the rubbish in different boxes for recyling and this is coming from a person that can't be arsed to do my stretches and so has to walk around like some body in the 70's.

If you go to a landfill site it's scandelous what get's thrown way. If you can re-use glass, paper, aluminium then why not? All though councils have to pay to get rid of the stuff we all end up paying for it one way or the other.

But what if this has a greater environmental impact than burying it.

We seem to think that someone waves a magic wand and all the waste magically transforms itself into new material. It doesn’t!

Most domestic waste cannot economically and environmentally recycled into useable material. There is a massive overhead attached to this process. The only way it is sustainable is because the tax payer is subsidising it.

I fully support the EVL initiative for re-cycling cars and larger salvage projects such as ships and buildings but domestic waste is a different matter. It is for "feel good" factor only.

If you want to feel like you are making a contribution return all your junk mail to sender, let them get rid of it (and pay the excess postage)

If you realy want to make a contribution...
Don't buy pre-packaged food
Don't buy drinks in plastic bottles
Don't buy newspapers.

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