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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 08:38 
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Fury as academics claim 9/11 was 'inside job'

by JAYA NARAIN
Last updated at 18:10pm on 5th September 2006

The 9/11 terrorist attack on America which left almost 3,000 people dead was an "inside job", according to a group of leading academics.

Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.

The claims have caused outrage and anger in the US which marks the fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks on Monday.

But leading scientists say the facts of their investigations cannot be ignored and say they have evidence that points to one of the biggest conspiracies ever perpetrated.

Professor Steven Jones, who lectures in physics at the Brigham Young University in Utah, says the official version of events is the biggest and most evil cover up in history.

He has joined the 9/11 Scholars for Truth whose membership includes up to 75 leading scientists and experts from universities across the US.

Prof Jones said: "We don't believe that 19 hijackers and a few others in a cave in Afghanistan pulled this off acting alone.

"We challenge this official conspiracy theory and, by God, we're going to get to the bottom of this."

In essays and journals, the scientists are giving credence to many of the conspiracy theories that have circulated on the internet in the past five years.

They believe a group of US neo-conservatives called the Project for a New American Century, set on US world dominance, orchestrated the 9/11 attacks as an excuse to hit Iraq, Afghanistan and later Iran.

The group says scientific evidence over the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon is conclusive proof.

Professor Jones said it was impossible for the twin towers to have collapsed in the way they did from the collision of two aeroplanes.

He maintains jet fuel does not burn at temperatures high enough to melt steel beams and claims horizontal puffs of smoke seen during the collapse of the towers are indicative of controlled explosions used to bring down the towers.

The group also maintains World Trade Centre 7 - a neighbouring building which caught fire and collapsed later in the day - was only partially damaged but had to be destroyed because it housed a clandestine CIA station.

Professor James Fetzer, 65, a retired philosopher of science at the University of Minnesota, said: "The evidence is so overwhelming, but most Americans don't have time to take a look at this."

The 9/11 Commission dismissed the numerous conspiracy theories after its exhaustive investigation into the terror attacks.

Subsequent examinations of the towers' structure have sought to prove they were significantly weakened by the impact which tore off fire retardant materials and led the steel beams bending under heat and then collapsing.

Christopher Pyle, professor of constitutional law at Mt Holyoake College in Massachusetts, has dismissed the academic group.

He said: "To plant bombs in three buildings with enough bomb materials and wiring? It's too huge a project and would require far too many people to keep it a secret afterwards.

"After every major crisis, like the assassinations of JFK or Martin Luther King, we've had conspiracy theorists who come up with plausible scenarios for gullible people. It's a waste of time."

But University of Wisconsin assistant professor, Kevin Barrett, said experts are unwilling to believe theories which don't fit into their belief systems.

He said: "People will disregard evidence it if causes their faith to be shattered. I think we were all shocked. And then, when the voice of authority told us what happened, we just believed it."

As the fifth anniversary approached, the 9/11 Scholars for Truth is urging Congress to reopen the investigation claiming they have amassed a wealth of scientific evidence to prove their version of the terror attacks.


I wonder what would happen if it was proved?

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Professor Jones said it was impossible for the twin towers to have collapsed in the way they did from the collision of two aeroplanes.


so I take it he's flown some planes into buildings in order to test this theory?


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But leading scientists say the facts of their investigations cannot be ignored and say they have evidence that points to one of the biggest conspiracies ever perpetrated.

Professor Steven Jones, who lectures in physics at the Brigham Young University in Utah, says the official version of events is the biggest and most evil cover up in history.


I've seen crap science everywhere. I was going to say 'this takes the biscuit', but I think AGW theory truly takes the 'twice baked' award for being half baked.

Nevertheless, what on earth is wrong with these people? I wonder what they think the CIA (or whoever) paid the pilots?

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Complete codswallop, from start to finish!

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5206


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It's classic false 'karmic' reasoning: a huge event must have required a huge plot. You see it with Kennedy (and before that, Lincoln), Diana, John Lennon, the Columbia disaster(and before that, Challenger, it's also usually the moon hoax crowd who tout this one, go figure), Marylin Monroe, Elvis, and probably many more. It's the same pattern every time.


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I'm trying to find a hiidden agenda for these weird claims. Usually there is a religious slant to extraordinary theories but I can't find one here.


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I'm trying to find a hiidden agenda for these weird claims. Usually there is a religious slant to extraordinary theories but I can't find one here.


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"We challenge this official conspiracy theory and, by God, we're going to get to the bottom of this."


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The theory stems from an interview with a fireman or fire officer which said the buildings had to be 'brought down' inferring the collapse was a controlled explosion. Controlled demolitions don't necessarily mean the whole scenario was orchestrated. There was some suspicious trading going on in the day before which suggests some people had advance knowledge of some event.

You probably wouldn't need that much explosive to bring it down if you knew the structure of the building and the weak points. The basement and lower floors would be the best place to put it as then the whole lot would just collapse.

I suspect the US intelligence knew a lot less about the people that did it which is why some of the details seem hazy or illogical. As they're dead they can't argue so you can make up anything you like. The actual perpetrators may have been completely different to those accused as their aren't any surviving witnesses to say otherwise.

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Professor Steven Jones, who lectures in physics at the Brigham Young University in Utah, says the official version of events is the biggest and most evil cover up in history.


Brigham Young Unversity is a Mormon establishment with very weird political views and a long and distinguished history of odd pronouncements. It's a completely religious school and cannot be compared to any other mainstream university.

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I'm trying to find a hiidden agenda for these weird claims. Usually there is a religious slant to extraordinary theories but I can't find one here.


There you go mate. :) ...or maybe :evil: ?


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Ah! I see.


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teabelly wrote:
You probably wouldn't need that much explosive to bring it down if you knew the structure of the building and the weak points. The basement and lower floors would be the best place to put it as then the whole lot would just collapse.


Never attibute to conspiracy what can be adequately explained by stupidity!


The towers collapsed from the top down. This can be seen from the videos and the fact that there was a zone of comparative safety around the second/third floors. Below that you would have been buried in the compacted rubble; above and you would have been killed by the kinetics of the collapsing building - but as the kintetics at second floor level were broadly absorbed by the increasing pile of rubble beneath, the floor itself remained comparatively safe

Using explosives in the basement/lower floors would have triggered a collapse from the bottom up.


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Of course the reason why these sort of conspiricy theorys exist is because *significant* numbers of people profoundly distrust the Government and wouldnt put it past them!

Now I wonder why that should be?? :wink:

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"Fury as academics claim 9/11 was 'inside job' " should have read for clarity "Fury as religious people claim 9/11 was 'inside job' or even to be fair "Fury as religious academics claim 9/11 was 'inside job' ". It could then have been dismissed more quickly. Bad journalism!


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There's also been a theory that it was an unsurance scam - don't ask me how, I can't even remember the program but I think it was shown on one of the earlier "anniveraries"


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"anniverSaries" even !!!


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There's also been a theory that it was an unsurance scam - don't ask me how, I can't even remember the program but I think it was shown on one of the earlier "anniveraries"


I read an article about the very same thing the other night...here it is:

http://www.fourwinds10.com/NewsServer/A ... leID=10744

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Kim wrote:
"anniverSaries" even !!!

If you were that worried about your original syntax, why not just click the edit button on your original post?

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Because I didn't see it.......Oh sorry, you're jusr being an a*****E!!!


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Oh dear, and I didn't spell that one right either, but then you don't give a shit do you!?


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Kim wrote:
Because I didn't see it.......Oh sorry, you're jusr being an a*****E!!!

There is only one person here who has successfully managed to make themselves look like an arsehole in such a short space of time.

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