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From the Beeb.



Already had 9 points.

Devon and cornwall Scammers kindly provide a pic and map location of the fixed site.




This highlights one of the failings of speed cameras. They don't stop people speeding!

Anyone with local knowledge? From the pic and aerial photo it doesn't look like an obvious spot for a 30 limit, possibly one where a real bib might turn a blind eye.

I guess though that even if they had of been taken as being 1 offence, with 9 points she would still have been banned - but would it have been for so long? Or is 6 months the norm for totting up?

It is a borderline 40 limit IMHO, although around the corner at the bottom of the hill there is a school and further up the hill parked cars make the road narrow.

The Gatso of course only covers the downhill section well before the dangerous area around the school.

I've never heard of a mobile camera being used here before, maybe the Gatso is too visible to be effective (at cash collecting).

I don't see any speed limit repeater signs on that piece of road and, if their real intention was to keep people below 30mph, there would be.

and if there's a school at the bottom of that hill, why no warning sign before the bend?

Nice shiny GATSO though, and covert enforcement on the other side of the road. Show me the money baby, yeah !!!!!

Yep, I'm reasonably local - I used to live about half a mile away from that location. The Gatso was one of the first in Plymouth. There is a bus-stop just past the Gatso and there's a school about a quarter of a mile further down - just past the bridge over the A38. There are residential areas both sides of the road with two access roads to the left (one each side of the Gatso), and one on the right. The residential road to the right (Military Road) is regularly used as a rat-run to avoid congestion at Marsh Mills roundabout. Before the Gatso, traffic used to regularly travel at 50 to 60 and it was an accident blackspot.

Assuming the circle on the aerial photo shows the location of the hand-held, it would be ideally placed to zap traffic on the very steep downward hill on the other side of the valley and the other side of the school (which is indicated by the arrow in this map). Also not obvious from your post is that the Delamere Road is the main access road to the area from the A38 Plymouth Parkway. As such, you can expect traffic to pull out from Delamere Road into Eggbuckland Road - and the junction is blind until you're less than a hundred yards away. So going down the steep hill on the approach to the junction at significantly more than the speed limit is (IMO) not safe.

A bit rough on the lady concerned, but IMO one of the more defensible locations.

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I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but if Willcove is right about that then WTF is the point of allowing her to continue to speed for up to a possible fortnight after she was caught? To me this is a perfect example of the worst way in which this system fails even when used in the right locations. Had she been caught initially by a copper they'd have "had words" with her as well as issued a ticket, which would very likely have prevented the later offences and hopefully changed her driving in that area. As it is, it's pretty clear that being caught the first time in no way stopped her from doing it twice more in qucik succession, and for all we know again and again over the next few days. Duh.

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Ye-e-e-s, but if her driving is of such poor standard that it merits a fine and points isn't it better to put a stop to it right away rather than delay action until the NIP lands on her doormat? Since the school report thread has brought it to mind, if you were caught misbehaving at school how long did your teacher wait before doling out a detention or crappy essay or set of lines as punishment? Did they do it right away or did they wait a week or so and then tell you?

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fair point gatsobait

Yep, I have no disagreement with that. With 9 points on he licence already she should really have been much more careful.

But isn't the person manning the speed trap guilty of aiding and abetting?

As for who was manning it and what sort of device it was, we only have the Beeb's flakey reporting to go on. Just because they say "hand held" doesn't mean it wasn't a fully armoured talivan.