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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 14:37 
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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2009/February/16-22/feb1609-new-surveillance-system/
Here are a few specific points from the article:

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A new surveillance system designed to track movements of motorcyclists on the roads will be operational by Easter, MCN can reveal.

The technology can tell motorcycles apart from other vehicles, measure their speeds and will be able to read number plates under plans. Data such as the routes taken by individual motorcyclists along with time and date will be collected and kept even if they have committed no offence.......

The new surveillance system has been installed on eight routes in Derbyshire by the region’s speed camera partnership, including the popular Cat & Fiddle run on the A54 and A537 near Buxton.

Under-road sensors already in place will distinguish motorcycles from other vehicles by their weight and width. Speed will be measured by timing their progress between two sensors a short distance apart. The system has been designed to work alongside Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) and video cameras........

The Derby and Derbyshire Road Safety Partnership said the aim was to “gather intelligence” to “prevent motorcycle casualties” through measures such as speed warning signs, extra police patrols and safer roadside barriers.......

Partnership manager Robert Hill said he hoped to add ANPR cameras in order to work out “how these vehicles are travelling around”.

He said there were no plans to use the data for enforcement but admitted it could be used as evidence. “If the police are aware that it’s there then they would want to look at it and then obviously there are issues about whether they would want to use it as evidence,” he added.

Hill said the eight routes had been chosen to target motorcyclists. “The data will be collected on all vehicles equally on those routes. However in terms of the analysis of that data we’re going to pay particular attention to motorcycles,” he said.

“That’s why they’re on those routes. We haven’t got a traffic management issue on those routes with any other vehicles that we’re aware of.

The system has been installed on the:
• A5012 from Cromford to Ivonbrook Quarry
• A621 from Baslow to Owler Bar
• A57 Snake Pass from Glossop outskirts to Nether North Grain
• B5035 from Ashbourne outskirts to Wirksworth
• A515 from Ashbourne to Alsop-en-le-Dale
• A6 Matlock Bath from High Peak Junction to Artist’s Corner
• A54 and A537 Cat & Fiddle run from Buxton to Cat & Fiddle pub
• A5004 Long Hill from Buxton to Fernilee


I don't know were to start really.

At least those of us who know the area now know what those camera posts are for. It is interesting that the partnership manager states " We haven’t got a traffic management issue on those routes with any other vehicles that we’re aware of" Given this statement it would seem that rural Derbyshire's trunk routes have been made 50mph in an attempt to slow a small but significant number of motorcylists who completely ignore any limit, I'm one of those motorcyclists who generally stuck to the limits - well until they rolled out the 50mph limits everywhere. :D

One claim is that this extensive new kit and its installation has cost just £100,000. I'm thinking it will have cost rather more than that.

I guess what is worrying is that these are locations that are as rural as England gets and yet a council has the will, finance and now the technology to ensure they know where we went, and how fast we got there.

Yes I know MCN can be the Daily Wail of the two wheel world but seeing as the have quotes from partnership manager it is substantially correct.

And don't think if you drive a car it doesn't matter. The systems unique ability is too tell bikes apart, it will be recording all vehicles.

There is a specific problem on certain days on these roads, and the unmarked bikes and eye in the sky have been used to tackle it. And that's fair enough because some riders are simply stupid. If I go for a run out I get up very early and I head for home before the d**kheads are out of bed.

But this isn't the answer to the problem. And whether it is or not if the technology proves reliable you can bet it will be rolled out across the whole country at first where there's a 'problem' and eventually covering anywhere they like. :x

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 21:59 
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Wasn't this the same area where they started painting double white lines on long straights to prevent the bikes overtaking?

I'm not surprised that this has happened as the DVLA, or it may have been ACPO, were looking to put RFID chips on motorcycle number plates because of the difficulty of using, especially SPECS, cameras to catch speeding motorcyclists.

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RFID in number plates (on bikes) is a non-starter. Tests on the idea gave a very low rate of successful reads. Tests with the rfid tag in the seat, using an ACTIVE tag, gave good read rates. The tag in 'plates would be a passive tag.
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/other/enp_report.pdf
The cost was/is seen as a deterrent to installation, with costs of tags at 100 million + and for the readers at nearly that (gov overrun means it would have been about 500 million). However, the idea lingers-on, with tags now seen as an additional tool in detection, but as active tags to boost anpr.
The legislation is already in place in The Vehicles (Crime) Act 2001.

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The DVLA trial used active RFID tags with their own internal power source, which is
used to power the integrated circuits and broadcast the signal to the reader via a built
in aerial. Hand–held readers used from ANPR vans or placed on tripods at the
roadside took accurate readings at up to 200 meters in some cases.
Passive RFID tags with no internal power supply were also tested. The minute
electrical current induced in the antenna by the incoming radio frequency signal
provides just enough power for the integrated circuit in the tag to power up and
transmit a response. Most passive tags signal by back-scattering the carrier wave from
the reader. The only successful reads of passive tags in the DVLA trial were from those attached to the seat of motorcycles at very close range. The motorcycle had to
pass almost in contact with the reader. All attempted reads of passive tags through car
windscreens failed.

http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/publications/evi%20for%20motorcycles%20final%20draft.pdf

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 02:50 
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R1Nut wrote:
Wasn't this the same area where they started painting double white lines on long straights to prevent the bikes overtaking?


I think that was in the North Yorkshire Moors - there was a thread about it last year.

Though Derbyshire's scheme maybe aimed at a specific problem with bikes in the Peaks, it demonstrates that with new technology no where will be beyond the authorities surveillance. There have been several threads regarding the seemingly unjustified lowering of rural speed limits and most have observed that the impracticality of enforcement almost renders them impotent. Not anymore it would seem.

The Camera Partnership seem to claim that the basic system is for intelligence gathering but that's just a justification for putting it in. They must already have bucket loads of stats regarding where and when bikes use which roads. After all it's not a huge area, and there's not a big choice of quick routes. Their spokeman suggest that these static systems will '“prevent motorcycle casualties through measures such safer roadside barriers". That just twaddle, how on earth does a fixed system tell anyone that better barriers a mile up the road might reduce injuries? And seeing as they've figured out to put them on all the busist bike roads in the Peaks why do they need to gather intelligence on where to mount additional police patrols.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:34 
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Folks,

Let's not freak out over this. There will always be back roads with just a tractor and a few cows for company. This system is focussing on well known biker routes. It would be utterly impossible for councils to tag all our decent rural roads in this way. It would cost £billions of credit crunch money.

My advice is to map out your locality for decent rural roads and enjoy a ride out. Check the roads for safety and cams, check safecam websites for mobile positions, and then enjoy your bike. Ride responsibly, and imagine, just for a couple of hours, that we are living in a free country.

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I've thought for a long time that it's not our carbon footprint we should be worried about, it's our electronic footprint.


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Gotta agree with you there Cooler. It's all quite depressing but maybe part of a post I read a while ago will add some cheer. Sorry but I’m afraid I can’t remember where or who wrote it now but he said something like this…

"Whenever I see ‘Average Speed Cameras’ it makes me smile. You would think with all the money they generate they could afford good ones". :D

When I see them now it brings a smile to my face too :)

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Big Tone wrote:
Gotta agree with you there Cooler. It's all quite depressing but maybe part of a post I read a while ago will add some cheer. Sorry but I’m afraid I can’t remember where or who wrote it now but he said something like this…

"Whenever I see ‘Average Speed Cameras’ it makes me smile. You would think with all the money they generate they could afford good ones". :D

When I see them now it brings a smile to my face too :)


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Haha! :lol:

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