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as nobody bothers with it anymore!

I was taught to signal my "Intentions", nowadays its a case of "I Indicate therefore I do"!

I am in total agreement. I was taught to ALWAYS indicate. I indicate even when I know there are no other cars about, probably because shortly after I got my license I was booked by a traffic cop, we had them back then, for failing to indicate. (I'm over 50 now)

He was actually parked without any lights, it was late at night, and there were no other cars around. I learnt my lesson and ALWAYS indicate.

These days why bother, there aren't any traffic cops about to catch you. Or so it seems when I watch it happen day after day, every time I'm on the road.

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Ross

Yes I'm a hoon, but only on the track!!!!

I had "Mirror, Signal, Manoeveure" drummed into me. No exceptions, even for deserted roads as it was a good habit to keep up.

Nowadays it's mostly just "Manoeveure".

I must say that MSM has me somewhat troubled.
Surely if the purpose of indicating is to signal your desire to move rather than saying "here I come, like it or not" then you should be adding an extra mirror (& check) between signal and manoeveure or even do the signalling first as you're supposed to allow around 4 seconds between signal and manoeveure to give people time to acknowledge said signal????

I think it should be mirror, signal, shoulder check, manoeuvre. We discussed it somewhere else, let me see...

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5010

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Paul Smith
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Too true. Unfortunately nowadays you need a masters in mind-reading. Does help with insurance claims when you have witnesses that will state that the third party didn't indicate.

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Prepare to be Judged

I cannot understand drivers who race up behind trucks in lane 1 as you overhaul them in lane 2, then brake and stay in lane 1, without indicating their wish to pull out and pass.
Often if you pull over to lane 3 to allow them the space to pass, even flashing your lights to draw attention to the fact you know what their intentions SHOULD be, they will stay put!
I understand they lacked the forward thinking to anticipate the need to pass, but why compound this by not making use of a simple tool... their indicator!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

I do get annoyed when people don't indicate, but I then get annoyed with myself for getting annoyed with them.

What I should be doing is keeping calm and being pleased that I saw what they were going to do before we exchanged paint regardless of the indication. I still get waspy though

Couple of theories...

1. Speciffic lanes and traffic lights with arrows mean that people don't feel the need to indicate so much.

2. Indicators were invented so that people had something else to complain about.

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Andrew.

I admit that often don't indicate on my bike if I feel i might need to brake suddenly or i fear for my arm. Generally I aim to do it, especially given the number of drivers who dangerously overtake me at a junction when i'm changing lane to turn right.

I always indicate my intentions unless I know it won't make a difference, (ie if there's noone else around!), and wouldn't dream of changing lanes unless I'd looked over my shoulder.

BUT! There's one thing that really gets my back up and the most common perpetrators are lane 2 hogs! I travel in lane 1 wherever possible and sometimes that means I end up, (and I hate the term!), 'undertaking' said lane hogs, (I don't do it aggressively, sometimes the RHL will slow or something along those lines.). So I carry along in lane 1 until I need to change lanes to overtake a vehicle in lane 1. As soon as Iindicate my intentions, the hog closes the gap up, causing me to have to brake hard.

It's sad when trying to be compliant has the effect of 'inviting' others to impede your progress!

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If I have to explain you won't understand.

Overtaking on the inside isn't illegal. I'm sure the roads would flow better if people realised that. I don't think we'll get people to move into lane 1 when they don't need to be in lane 2 so we might as well get past them rather then staying behind getting annoyed.

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Andrew.

I was under the impression that passing on the inside is illegal in this country, in contrast with pretty much anywhere else in the world. I don't see how it would be any more dangerous, as long as drivers knew that they were liable to be passed on either side.

Nope, the highway code says "don't do it" but doesn't refer to a law. Therefore it isn't illegal. I have never seen any law stating that it is illegal.

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Andrew.

And the HC specifically permits it where traffic in one lane is moving more quickly than that in the lane to the right, which is something open to broad interpretation.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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Ah yes, I remembered that one when going past a mr. police officer who was in a queue in lane 2 of a roundabout, after he had given up tailgating me and apparently trying to find a reason to pull me over. I bet he didn't like that.

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Andrew.

What do you mean -lack of hand signals - what about the 2 fingers rampant or the single digit extended you get when you use your horn to warn a pedestrian that they won't win the arguement with a car.

A signal also employed by the half-witted lycra-fetishist who thinks that red lights don't apply to cycles and dashes across the junction after you've got a green.....

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Save a cow - eat a vegetarian

Roadcraft insists that "the system's first phase" is information.

Information consists of three separate phases; the third of which is giving information to other road users,

Obviously, most drivers in the Telford area are takers rather than givers.

As it were.

Dirty bastards.

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Simon

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A signal also employed by the half-witted lycra-fetishist who thinks that red lights don't apply to cycles and dashes across the junction after you've got a green.....[/quote]

Unfortunately, whilst said "lycra-fetishist" is possibly in the wrong, the onus is on you to ensure that on recieving a green "it is safe to proceed"