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IG will know this better - but I think they can now seize car if ist uninsured - but am surprised they do this for speeding too. Was he dangerous as well?

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I see our resident partnership staff have kept a low profile on this one.

Come on, explain the 50% who got off.

There is just one small flaw in that rule, it isn't the car that has to be insured, it is the driver.
Proving that somebody has no insurance at the roadside is moderately difficult, and at this moment in time the police have no choice but to let you go with a producer.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

In hampshire they only collect 81% of 12328 fixed penalty notices issued

that is about 2342 who have chalanged or ignored thier penalty
(I was one of them)

They fail to provide the stats on how many NIPS were issued
blank boxes on the forms!

http://www.safetycamera.org.uk/pd/audit2.pdf

Rule 1 scammers lie!
Rule 2 statistics will show this!

Oh heck... Wildy - when did you pounce into here then? mein liebstes Wildkatzchen. Is ths a case of

"Wenn der mad Moggie aus dem Haus ist, tanzt die Wildkatze auf dem Tisch"" (When Mad Doc's away - Wildy plays! (dances on the table - see I speak German - a bit... )

(by the way - agree with your signature! agree you are crazy! )

True Gixxer - clues if chap has no driving licence though.

Speaking of inusrance ... gonna set up a quiz to test general knowledge.

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FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

What more could anyone add??

I whole heartedly agree with EVERY statement paulf has so eloquently put to screen.

just to let you know, I received a NOP today after a long day at work,
AND OF COURSE I AM GOING TO GET DOWN ON MY BENDED KNEE AND PLEAD NOT GUILTY !!!!

I'LL let you know the score 5th sept

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Brian of Plymouth
When will the government realise , that to err is only human, to be perfect is to be GOD.

It amazes me that more people don't challenge them, or at least ask for the photos.

I reckon if everyone asked for the pictures then for the video evidence, they'd be snowed under and a high proportion of cases would simply time out.

If people just went to court and paid £35 costs to plead guilty... the police would not get the cash and they would need courts to deal with 100,000 cases in each county. Then there are the extra letters and all those people to read and handle them

But again, you have no way of knowing for sure if (s)he has a license.

The best you can hope for is that when you do a person check, the data held at DVLA is factually correct (which we know it isn't in over 30% of cases).

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Thats whats needed, everyone clogging up the system.

BUt how do you mobilise that sort of effort?

when I use the term disposable, I don't mean it in a snobby way. I am a fully paid up member of the school of bangernomics and often run old heaps for amusement.

however, the difference is my old heaps are registered, mot'd taxed and insured.

disposable motoring is about buying a 100 car, not bothering to register, insure, mot or tax it. If you crash it, you do a runner and buy another. These peope are imune from robocop because it's last registered keeper who gets the grief.

they are also imune from having it seized as it worthless and they just go out and buy another.

a 17 year old would save about 2,000 a year opting for illegal disposable motoring rather than legal bangernomics.

This is scary.

Please could someone clarify, in Law, how "naughty" do you have to be before the Police can rob you of your vehicle?

1) Repeated drunk/dangerous driving while uninsured/untaxed/unMOTd?
2) Performing a single dangerous manouver in an otherwise legal vehicle?
3) 35 in a 30?

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“For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.” - H. L. Mencken

This is already becoming a bigger and bigger problem,
why should a person try to go legal when he/she has had his/her licence legally stolen by the pratnership triad club??

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Brian of Plymouth
When will the government realise , that to err is only human, to be perfect is to be GOD.

159 IN A 70 ???

59 cases of speeding and tickets torn up.

. Police forces around the country are turning to a little-known law that allows them to seize vehicles being driven “anti-socially” — causing alarm, distress or harassment. That includes excessive speeding and racing.


Now if that happened in EVERY CASE - how many police cars would we have left on the road.

No need for a case proven in a court of law.

Shows the need for properly used laws -


As i understand it , from an old beat sargeant,the law " -that allows them to seize vehicles being driven “anti-socially” — causing alarm, distress or harassment."
was brought in to get rid of the kids on motorbikes plagueing communities.

But do they us it for that ??? No - they've found a more profitable use for it.

But again, you rely on your info from DVLA being correct.

If you are told at the roadside that the subject doesn't have a license, but the subject insists that they do, the worst you can do is issue a producer.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Scarier still is the "unfortunate" fact that they can team handed wrestle you to the ground and stick 8 bullets in the back of your head for buying a tube ticket, having brown skin and emerging from a building where someone they think they want to speak to is holed-up.

More sick than that is the apparent fact that they will subsequently offer your relatives £15 grand for a "Let's keep this quiet and not shout about it too much" undertaking. They can easily get this sort of money by nicking just 250 ordinary people drifting by a handful of MPH in excess of the speed limit.

It's easy ca$h

PaulF,

Your 'angry man' approach to these issues is very likely to be damaging our serious road safety cause. Casual visitors and lurkers who read some of your posts are likely to mentally link your approach and ours.

Frankly, it's just too much for me and I've marked your posting acccount with 'final warning' status. This does not affect your ability to post at this stage and I'll review the status after a week. Hopefully you'll get the message and moderate your style.

I abhor any kind of controls on free speech, but we're the underdog in a battle to restore sensible road safety policy and I have to keep an eye on the wider objectives.

If you can't moderate your style we're just going to have to call it a day.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Paul,

As you wish; I will stop posting on your forum and now intend this to be my last post.

Before I go I would like to say that I regret any embarrassment I may have caused you or the SafeSpeed campaign from voicing what are my own strong views on what I think is becoming a Police State run by control freaks - but as you say: These views of mine are not necessarily those of yours and in any case our ways of airing our views is somewhat different.

For the record, I meant what I said once in a private exchange of messages - that I would gladly hand over 10% of any major lottery win (or similar) were I ever lucky enough to be a winner. And although I will respect your wishes and no longer post here, in the unlikely event that any major win on the lottery ever come about for me, I'll still honour that.

For everyone else friend and foe alike, it was good knowing you all: Both those who feel the injustice and want something done about it - and the others who appear to want to demonise motorists generally.

In closing I will say this: As ugly and difficult and angry as my language in my posts has been, I have NEVER advocated violence towards anybody or criminal damage towards anyone's property, public or private. Publicly berating and loudly dispensing an opinion doesn't hurt anyone else - as unpleasant as reading it may be. I would urge anyone else who as as 'angry' as it's presumed I am to do likewise.

Goodbye everyone and take care

With best wishes


Paul F

Difficult one this. I totally agree with Safespeed that over-angy language will diminish the responsible safe speed message and constructive debate that this forum is about. Nevertheless I can also see clearly where guys like PaulF are coming from and the linkage between the serious erosion of democracy and a broad raft of resulting injustices such as road speed enforcement for institutional gain hidden behind bogus 'road safety' claims and the Menedez killing case IMO as a result of the equally bogus war on terror justification.

I too have similar concerns to PaulF. I think the problem is that this forum and the articulate postings by most of the folk here ( even Basingwerk ) indicate that as always there is a small percentage of the population who are intelligent enough to understand what is going on and post about it. The much larger majority are happy to remain in comfortable ignorance. Although as this establishment continues even that majority is being eroded.

I can respect the frustration that results in angry language. I hope PaulF stays and moderates his and having thought about it I will do the same with mine.

Agreed 100%.

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Carl Prescott