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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:38 
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I also own a 1986 Senator (not the newer version) and the recommended idle mixture is 0.5%CO2, that's very efficient and a world away from the polluting gas guzzler that it would be branded as, this car also does about 40MPG on the motorway.

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In the paper today, 4x4s are twice as likely to kill pedestrians as normal cars.

Unfortunately, this is based on American data and in the UK, pedestrian deaths are falling while sales of SUVs are rising. A typical statistical mess.

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Malcolmw wrote: In the paper today, 4x4s are twice as likely to kill pedestrians as normal cars.


Personally I think this claim is debatable, you would think that these vehicles being heavier and higher that worse injuries would be sustained in the event of conflict; either with another smaller vehicle or ped/cyclist.

I would say that it would be worse for a small child to be hit by a 4X4 as they have more chance of going under the wheels although if I had my choice of going under the middle of a car or a 4X4 I think I know what I would choose-it's swings and roundabouts again, your less likely to go under a car but worse if you did as the car is lower to the ground etc and vice versa with 4X4's.

As the front of a 4X4 is more flat then if an average adult is hit the energy is more likely to be dissipated over a wider area of the body meaning-more-less severe injuries rather than the injuries sustained by being flipped and smashed against the screen and roof of a low slung car. The 4X4 is more likely to catapult you forward rather than throwing you over it-again it is a trade off more than anything.

But many just assume that it WILL be worse being hit by a 4X4.

Don't assume anything because you'll only make an ASS of U & ME :D

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See http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4259

Article by BMJ , but a lot refers to American SUV


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Malcolmw wrote: In the paper today, 4x4s are twice as likely to kill pedestrians as normal cars.


Personally I think this claim is debatable, you would think that these vehicles being heavier and higher that worse injuries would be sustained in the event of conflict; either with another smaller vehicle or ped/cyclist.


On the other hand the brakes and (on road) handling have vastly improved over the last ten years.


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